@mikeuk besides what i wrote here Folder and template organisation confusion - that Grav devs do shady things and Grav admin is clearly worse than kirby panel…
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Kirby is not open-source. Its a commercial product with benevolent overlords i would hang out with. It has advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that there is someone deciding the shots (@bastianallgeier) and he leads the project well. Its also his living so he has motivations there. The disadvantages for me are that i am not so eager to hack on kirby and use it for some more experimental projects i would send to the wild.
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Grav has bussiness plan too and it is exactly build around commercial themes. Unlike kirby.
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We probably have different clients but Grav admin is very ugly. My clients would hate it compared to kirby.
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Grav has Gitter channel, its good for realtime discussions but usualy just full of people that cant understand Gravs confusing documentation. Their forum is much worse platform than this one. You cant reliably search forum or the chat. Here most of the time the solution of your problem is already on the forums. You will see threads that are months old to reemerge with additional questions and solutions. I find this much more functional.
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I understand the gripes with plugins site - i just dont think people use it that much. Search the forums or github. People are making plugins to solve their problem and then they share it. There awesome people whos plugins i use in every project. I should actualy pay people like @jenstornell @mzur @lukaskleinschmidt (and many others) - but i guess that is open-source and good community.
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Gravs themes are mostly trash. You must understand that people using kirby are mostly looking for best cms to make custom websites. Its exactly the reason why there is no theme folder, kirby is for making sites from ground up, you dont need themes. The quality of websites made with Kirby is highly superior to things people make with Grav, because it attracts different people. You will find super famous designers lurking around here. There is certain philosophy behind kirby that these people like.
I agree on one thing, @bastianallgeier and the team might want to think about the branding a bit more. The kirby homepage is fine it just doesnt explain much. The amount of awesomeness you get with kirby-modular + kirby-sortable + kirby-patterns and things like kirby-fieldtoggle is monumentaly immense. No other cms can so easily pull this off. Kirby is this little gem that not many people know about.
On the other hand i would much rather have kirby team to work on kirby and not on their brand :)). Maybe you should hire some of those famous designers.