# Role and rights problem **URL:** \ **Category:** Questions\ **Tags:** v3\ **Created:** [February 6, 2022, 12:52pm UTC](https://forum.getkirby.com/t/role-and-rights-problem/24664 "2022-02-06T12:52:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![m\_herzog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ed8c4c/32.png) [@m\_herzog](https://forum.getkirby.com/u/m_herzog)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 12:52pm UTC](https://forum.getkirby.com/t/role-and-rights-problem/24664/1 "2022-02-06T12:52:43Z")
I don’t know if I understand something wrong with roles and rights in Kirby ?!? I am using Kirby 3.6.0. 1. In one of my role definitions i define: \*:false 2. So the option “create” is set to false 3. In a page I whant to activate the option “create” and set it to true 4. The page has the option “update” set to true 5. NOTHING HAPPENS when I edit the page → can’t create new elements inside the page content What do I do wrong ?!? THX for helping out! ---
**Author:** ![texnixe](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.getkirby.com/texnixe/32/5754_2.png) [@texnixe](https://forum.getkirby.com/u/texnixe)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://forum.getkirby.com/t/role-and-rights-problem/24664/2 "2022-02-06T13:07:29Z")
Could you please post exactly what you have set where, i.e. your role blueprint and the page blueprint, so I can try and recreate it. Also, please update to the latest Kirby version 3.6.2 to make sure that we are not trying to hunt bugs that have already been fixed. ---
**Author:** ![m\_herzog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ed8c4c/32.png) [@m\_herzog](https://forum.getkirby.com/u/m_herzog)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://forum.getkirby.com/t/role-and-rights-problem/24664/3 "2022-02-06T13:17:10Z")
**I updated to 3.6.2 nothing changed!** _In my user role with [role name] I set:_ permissions: pages: \*: false preview: true read: true _In my page I set:_ options: create: [role name]: true THX ---
**Author:** ![m\_herzog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ed8c4c/32.png) [@m\_herzog](https://forum.getkirby.com/u/m_herzog)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://forum.getkirby.com/t/role-and-rights-problem/24664/4 "2022-02-06T13:19:16Z")
If I understood the role system from kirby the rights set inside a page should overwrite role permission ?!? ---
**Author:** ![texnixe](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.getkirby.com/texnixe/32/5754_2.png) [@texnixe](https://forum.getkirby.com/u/texnixe)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://forum.getkirby.com/t/role-and-rights-problem/24664/5 "2022-02-06T13:47:12Z")
Yes, sorry, I can reproduce the issue and there is an open issue on GitHub: > > > \*\*Describe the bug\*\* > The \`add()\` method in a pages section only checks global… pages create permission. The consquence is that the Add button is never shown if the role/editor does not have this permissions. Nonetheless, if a role/user has permissions to create a page (can be template specific) in that pages section, he should be able to Add it from the pages section. > > More info about this in the forum: https://forum.getkirby.com/t/kirby-permissions-to-give-role-permissions-to-manage-content-of-1-blueprint-only/23716 > > \*\*Expected behavior\*\* > A user should be able to add a page to a pages section if he has permissions to generate that page, even when his global "pages create" permission is false. > > \*\*Kirby Version\*\* > 3.5.7.1 So until this will be fixed in 3.7, you would have to remove the global setting in favor of blueprint specific settings, I’m afraid. ---
**Author:** ![m\_herzog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ed8c4c/32.png) [@m\_herzog](https://forum.getkirby.com/u/m_herzog)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://forum.getkirby.com/t/role-and-rights-problem/24664/6 "2022-02-06T16:31:12Z")
This does not work either! If i remove the “\*: false” in the role definition and use “create: false” in the page blueprint, creation is still possible ?!? ---
**Author:** ![m\_herzog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ed8c4c/32.png) [@m\_herzog](https://forum.getkirby.com/u/m_herzog)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://forum.getkirby.com/t/role-and-rights-problem/24664/7 "2022-02-06T16:34:21Z")
When will 3.7 be released? It should be fixed asap because it is a real showstopper in the role-right-management ;-( ---
**Author:** ![texnixe](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.getkirby.com/texnixe/32/5754_2.png) [@texnixe](https://forum.getkirby.com/u/texnixe)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 4:49pm UTC](https://forum.getkirby.com/t/role-and-rights-problem/24664/8 "2022-02-06T16:49:11Z")
You are right, looks like the page blueprint settings are completely ignored. I have no ETA for 3.7. Did this actually work in 3.5? But can you actually create a page when you set `create: false` or is just the button visible? Because in my quick test, I can’t actually create pages. ---
**Author:** ![m\_herzog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ed8c4c/32.png) [@m\_herzog](https://forum.getkirby.com/u/m_herzog)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 6:45am UTC](https://forum.getkirby.com/t/role-and-rights-problem/24664/9 "2022-02-07T06:45:15Z")
If I set “create: true” in the blueprint no add button appears! Other rights are working only “create” seems to have a malfunction and do nothing ☹ If I set “create: true” in the user role the add button appears and I can also create pages. Actual I use kirby 3.6.2 after updating from 3.6.0!